Archives par mot-clé : 1946

Marie Gibert-Flutre : Repenser la production des espaces publics contemporains au Vietnam. Réflexions à partir de Hồ Chí Minh Ville

[ndlr] Deux interventions à ne pas manquer.

La prochaine séance du séminaire « France-Vietnam : un portail entre les cultures » se tiendra le vendredi 9 février, de 16h à 18h, en salle d’Histoire de l’École normale supérieure (45 rue d’Ulm, 75005 Paris)

Repenser la production des espaces publics contemporains au Vietnam. Réflexions à partir de Hồ Chí Minh Ville
par Marie Gibert-Flutre (UMR Cessma, UFR de Langues et Civilisations de l’Asie Orientale, Université Paris-Diderot)

L’échec des efforts de paix en 1946 : qui est Hô Chi Minh ?
par Nguyen Thi Tu Huy (Laboratoire du Changement Social et Politique, URF Sciences Sociales, Université Paris Diderot)

Affiche TransferS 9 février 2018

Entrée libre dans la limite des places disponibles
En raison du plan Vigipirate prévoir une pièce d’identité pour l’accès à l’ENS

Séminaire « France-Vietnam : un portail entre les cultures » organisé par Mme Nguyễn Giáng Hương (BnF) en collaboration avec le labex TransferS

Affiche programme France Vietnam 2017-2018

Image “à la une” : l’espace public vietnamien, Hô Chi Minh-Ville © Marie Gibert-Flutre

Tìm lại ý tưởng 
đặt tên Thành phố Hồ Chí Minh

[ndlr] Sur l’origine de l’appellation Ho Chi Minh-Ville, retour en 1946.

TTCT- Trong một lần gặp nhau giữa giới sưu tầm tài liệu và các nhà nghiên cứu ở TP.HCM, có người nêu vấn đề: Ý tưởng đặt tên Hồ Chí Minh cho thành phố Sài Gòn xuất phát từ lúc nào?


Lire la suite : Tuoi Tre, 30/08/2015.

Stein Tønnesson: Counterfactual History – Could War in Vietnam Have Been Avoided?

In this post, Stein Tønnesson, author of Vietnam 1946: How the War Began, recalls a debate he had with a colleague about events leading up to war between France and Vietnam, and whether or not war was inevitable.

Last year I shocked my colleague David G. Marr, who is working on a monumental study of Vietnam 1945-50, by stating that if the war between France and Vietnam had not broken out on December 19, 1946, it would have broken out in 1947 instead, in October at the latest.

“Why?” he asked:  “What about Barjot et al warning about the costs in money and manpower?” He knew from reading Philippe Devillers’ and my books that Admiral Pierre Barjot and others had been warnings that France could not afford a drawn-out war, but they were disavowed by Chief-of-Staff General Alphonse Juin, and the mood in French politics was not such that it would let money decide in a question of national prestige.

On the Vietnamese side, Marr continued, “it’s possible that Ho Chi Minh and Giap would have lost authority over local militia who became fed up with talks dragging on for months and months, and started shooting Frenchmen of their own volition.” But if this happened only in the south, Ho Chi Minh might have washed his hands of the troublemakers and signed a settlement for northern Vietnam, plus a clause promising a referendum on union with Nam Bo [the southern region] in an unspecified future. Marr asked: “Could the French government of the day have proceeded on that basis?” I did not answer then, but I answer now that the French would have insisted on maintaining full control of the northern port city Haiphong as well, and I doubt that Ho Chi Minh was prepared to give up the south even temporarily in exchange for an agreement covering only the north. This was what he had resisted in 1946.

If December 19 had not happened, then France and Vietnam would probably have maintained a kind of uneasy modus vivendi for a few months longer with a series of unsuccessful talks, while both parties prepared for war. And once the French communists had been forced to leave the French government in May, and the position of the Socialist Minister of Overseas France Marius Moutet was so much weakened that he had to give up his portfolio to the more bellicose Christian Democrat Paul Coste-Floret in October, the French government would have decided to strike out. It was only then that the French government excluded any prospect of resuming talks with Ho Chi Minh and launched Operation Lea on October 7 in an attempt to capture the Vietnamese president and his government.

After I had presented my arguments, it was my turn to be shocked when Marr asked: “If war would have occurred in 1947 anyway, what’s the point of your exquisite analysis of Nov-December 1946?” Ahem! It’s true that I’ve spent much of my adult life researching the circumstances of the outbreak of the First Indochina War in 1946. Why have I prioritized my life in such a silly way if I don’t think the war could have been avoided?

Well. First, the story of how it happened is a fascinating tragedy. I’ve been consumed by it the way you can be consumed by a tragic novel. Second, it does provide a case study of how lower level bureaucrats and commanders can obstruct a government’s decision-making; this is useful political science. Third, the hesitations on both sides before the prospect of a drawn-out war are interesting in themselves, especially for peace researchers who would like to see more such hesitation. Fourth, even if the war could not probably have been avoided, it would have made a difference if the fragile peace of 1946 had lasted half a year longer. This would have given President Ho Chi Minh and General Vo Nguyen Giap more time to strengthen their forces, institutions and support both nationally and internationally.

Yet it would of course have been neat if I could have said in my book Vietnam 1946 that if war had not broken out on December 19, 1946, there would not have been any Indochina War, no Dien Bien Phu, no Diem murder, no Tonkin Gulf incident, no Vietnam War, no Tet offensive, no Kissinger sideshow, no Cambodian genocide, no need for Deng Xiao-ping to teach a lesson—just a peacefully decolonizing Southeast Asian Yugoslavia with Ho Chi Minh as Asia’s Tito. Neat, but not honest.

Oslo, February 28, 2010
Stein Tønnesson

Source : University of California Press Blog, 28/02/2010.

Our thanks to Stein Tønnesson for permission to publish his article on this Seminar Blog.


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“Le crépuscule tomba. Sur toute la ville régnait un silence anormal. Il faisait un froid sec. Les maisons semblaient se recroqueviller en se chauffant sous la lumière jaunâtre des lampes électriques. La ville paraissait se coucher tôt par crainte du froid. Mais des lames de fond déferlaient dans son intérieur…”

Tel était, selon le général Giap, le climat qui pesait sur Hanoï au moment précis où éclata la première guerre d’Indochine. Toutefois, ni Giap ni les autres témoins ne se sont montrés bavards sur ce qui s’est réellement passé ce soir-là. Les adversaires n’auraient-ils pas quelque chose à cacher ?

Stein Tonnesson essaie ici de lever le voile. A l’aide de documents inédits des archives françaises, britanniques et américaines, il se livre à une analyse minutieuse des calculs, des luttes de clans et de personnes, des processus d’information et de décision qui se sont exprimés, qui se sont noués et dénoués durant les quatre mois précédant la bataille de Hanoï, et qui, en définitive, provoquèrent la guerre. Analyse minutieuse et inquiétante : les responsables politiques sont-ils réellement “responsables” à partir du moment où ils sont mis devant les faits accomplis ? Et, plus généralement, en certaines circonstances, les hommes disposent-ils réellement de la maîtrise des événements ?

Réf. : Stein Tønnesson, 1946: Déclenchement de la guerre d’Indochine. Les vêpres tonkinoises du 19 décembre, Paris, L’Harmattan, Recherches asiatiques, 1987, 275 p.

Stein Tonnesson: Vietnam 1946 – How the War Began

Based on multiarchival research conducted over almost three decades, this landmark account tells how a few men set off a war that would lead to tragedy for millions.

Stein Tønnesson was one of the first historians to delve into scores of secret French, British, and American political, military, and intelligence documents. In this fascinating account of an unfolding tragedy, he brings this research to bear to disentangle the complex web of events, actions, and mentalities that led to thirty years of war in Indochina. As the story unfolds, Tønnesson challenges some widespread misconceptions, arguing that French general Leclerc fell into a Chinese trap in March 1946, and Vietnamese general Giap into a French trap in December. Taking us from the antechambers of policymakers in Paris to the docksides of Haiphong and the streets of Hanoi, Vietnam 1946 provides the most vivid account to date of the series of events that would make Vietnam the most embattled area in the world during the Cold War period.

Réf. : Stein Tønnesson, Vietnam 1946: How the War Began. With a foreword by Philippe Devillers, Berkeley, Los Angeles, and London: University of California Press, 2010, xxiv-361 p.


List of illustrations
Foreword by the series editors
Foreword by Philippe Devillers
List of abbreviations

1. A Clash of Republics
2. The Chinese Trap
3. Modus Vivendi
4. Massacre
5. The French Trap
6. Who Turned Out the Lights?
7. If Only . . .


Stein Tønnesson was Director of the International Peace Research Institute in Oslo, Norway, from 2001 to 2009. He is author of The Vietnamese Revolution of 1945: Roosevelt, Ho Chi Minh and de Gaulle in a World at War among other books.

Source : University of California Press

  • Review of Vietnam 1946: How the War Began by Ben Kerkvliet, New Mandala, 10/05/2010.

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